‘france’ címkét viselő írások
-
Radio 'n' Magazine 'n' Gigs 'n' Records 'n' T-shirts
RNR666 Rádió
A trip to Binic 2024 A.D.
If anyone asked me about Binic a couple of years ago, I would probably guess that it was a Serbian town about 200 kilometres from the Hungarian border. And would I be interested in a festival there, especially a folk blues one? Well, I leave that to your imagination. But since a fateful conversation last year, I knew I had to go to the Brittany region of France (that is where Binic is located, geographically) to see the Binic Folk Blues Festival, which has been around since 2008. Binic is a Bretanese commune with a beach looking over the Atlantic Ocean so the festival is practically a beach party held traditionally over the last weekend of July with an insane selection of rock n roll bands from all over the place. For a long time, the festival has offered its program for free but recently a symbolic price tag was introduced.
So, this summer we hit the road to see if this seaside rock n roll festival lives up to the expectations… Due to this year’s Olympic Games getting to Binic was a challenge but arriving in this bucolic fishing commune and seeing rockers everywhere on the streets was a surreal experience.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Ew0C9dEav3c
We didn’t make it to the actual start of the program but that was fine because many of the bands played multiple gigs over the weekend. Including but not limited to:
Tramhaus
Interesting post-punk (if this label means anything) band from Rotterdam – they haven’t exactly caught my attention with their recordings but their show was surprisingly full of energy and got me carried away. And of course I never went back to listen to their recorded stuff but the gig was still quite memorable.
The Judges
A young Australian rock n roll band from Melbourne with their first and only album released last year (via Anti Fade / Total Punk). Starting with The House Always Wins, we get a youthful cocktail of riffs and being judged by the frontman. We saw them a couple of times including while we were feasting in a Carrefour parking lot but they didn’t really seem approachable, just very cool and detached.
[bandcamp width=100% height=42 album=2858877835 size=small bgcol=ffffff linkcol=0687f5 track=1270152628]
Dion Lunadon
Having seen this band for the third time within a year and they are always like fine wine. Dion brings out those stupid chains every single time to slaughter his guitar with them but no, it is not ridiculous! He might be the only person on this planet who could get away with it.
Gob Psychic
The regret… of missing them out.
Wine Lips
Energetic psych garage from Canada who are total crowd pleasers in a good way. We caught both of their shows at the festival and they just know how to make a party and they seem to be really nice people. Here they are a couple of months earlier at KEXP:
Goutlaw
Sleazy, deranged Australian band who are surprisingly entertaining on the stage and to be honest, I was looking forward to their show a lot! They have a great album that was put out by Beast Records (who are involved in the festival to some extent, I guess) last year and the band doesn’t disappoint. And Goutlaw also have a lot of personality and a frontman who knows how to be funny in one moment, then frightening 2 secs later.
A place to bury strangers
Unpopular opinion: this gig was a joke 🙂
2 lemez ismertető
The Hands : Reflections (Broken Arm Records) 2022
Perpignan. Salvador Dali szerint a perpignani vasútállomás az Univerzum közepe, számomra az európai pszichedelik-punk / garage rock legfontosabb városa, na jó még Bordeaux, de az is ott van a közelben. Ebből a közegből jön a The Hands, a harmadik hullámból, ha a ’90-es éveket és a Beach Beaches-t vesszük az elsőnek, a 2000-es éveket a másodiknak (The Mighty Go-Go Players, Jack Of Heart, Sonic Chicken 4 stb.) és a 2010-es évektől számítjuk a harmadikat (Les Crotales, Crank, The Llambs stb.).
A Reflections a harmadik The Hands album és azt hiszem ez a legjobb eddig, jók a dalok és hallatszik, hogy Brian (ének/gitár) sok időt szánt a keverésre, mert nagyon szépen szól minden. Pszichedelikus garage rock ez, jó sok fuzz gitárral és meglehetősen nyers énekkel. A pszichedelikust ne úgy képzeljük, hogy hosszúra nyújtott elszállások, meg ilyenek. A tíz számból hét nem éri el a három perces hosszúságot, kettő még két percet sem. Egyszer azt írtam róluk (és ez tetszett a Hands-es srácoknak) – ősemberek párducgalócán, nem az a finomkodós cucc. Ez koncerten végképp így van. Nagy zajt tudnak csapni.
Nekem sokszor jut eszembe a korai Jack Of Heart róluk (pl. a Seven Years c. dal), ami nem véletlen, mert a zenekarból hárman is játszottak / játszanak a J.O.H.-ban. A Sweet Star- ról a torinoi Movie Star Junkies ugrik be, az akusztikus zárószámról meg Syd Barett.
Érdekes lehet még, hogy a We are so Lame c. dalt a Lame nevű zenekarnak ajánlják, akik a turné partnereik voltak pár éve mikor Budapestet is útba ejtették közösen, sőt még kis falunkat is, ahol a pajtánkban lenyomtak egy teljes koncertet meglepetésként. A The Hands közönsége akkor a három Lame zenész + Márti meg én voltunk.
Nagyon jó album és a borító is ütős, ami szintén Brian munkája!
bandcamp >> ITT <<
facebook >> ITT <<
instagram >> ITT <<
Top Down : Backyard Thunder (No Chance Records) 2022
Itt a harmadik Top Down nagylemez, van három kislemezük, a zenekarban is hárman vannak, úgyhogy minden három.
Velük kapcsolatban mindig, felmerül a Dead Moon (űbermegakultikus, mindenki által tisztelt garage-rock-punk zk.) párhuzam. Ami nem meglepő hisz a Top Down ezer szállal kötődik Fred Cole, Toody Cole és Andrew Loomis zenekarához:
Charlie (basszus/ének) akár, csak a Dead Moon Portland-ből származik, a felállás is klasszik ‘power trio’ váltott férfi-női énekkel, lemezkiadás saját kiadónál (a D.M.-nál a Tombstone Rec. a T.D.-nál a No Chance Rec.), Fred Cole haláláig minden felvételt vele rögzítettek, szigorúan mono-ban (akár a Dead Moon) sőt a kettes lemezre egy dalt is írt nekik a Down The Road-ot. Tournéztak együtt a Fred&Toody-val Európában és az USA-ban is. Szim (gitár/ének) adta ki a Dead Moon könyv európai változatát és még folytathatnám, de legyen elég ennyi.
Megemlítenék még két zenekart akik bár nem annyira erőteljesen mint a Dead Moon, de érezhetők a Top Down zenéjében, az egyik a portlandi Wipers, a másik pedig a Paul Caporino által 40 éve vezetett M.O.T.O.. Ütős riff, egyszerű zenei szerkezet, fogós dallam, a Top Down esetében mindez kibaszott feszesen elővezetve és semmi torzítgatás, effektezgetés. Püff, kész is egy Top Down dal.
A 10 dal közül nem nagyon emelnék ki egyet sem én úgy vagyok velük, hogy meghallgatok egy lemezüket általában kétszer egymás után aztán meg a többit ami még van. Rám nézve elég addiktív a zenéjük.
A lemezborító grafikája is nagyon jó, Phillip Janta munkája >> https://www.instagram.com/janta.island/ << Az összetört autó rendszáma 54-40, az üzenet egyértelmű! Az iserten ott vannak a dalszövegek és a másik oldalon egy fametszet nyomat a zenekarról. Az első 50 példányhoz járt még egy eredeti arany színű nyomat! Ezt pedig Gabriela Jolowitcz készítette. Fantasztikus dolgai vannak >> https://www.instagram.com/gabrielajolowicz/ << érdemes ránézni!
Jó hír: 2023 -ban harmadjára is visszatérnek Magyarországra, május 6.-án Budapesten, május-7. én Miskolcon fognak játszani.
bandcamp >> ITT <<
facebook >> ITT <<
instagram >> ITT <<
French Revolutionary Dance Upset
LISTEN, DESTROY & BUILD A BETTER SOCIETY!
8. Sapin
9, 20, 39: Stereo Total
15. The Monkberry Moon Orchestra
41. Brigitte Bardot
Fast & Loud
JOHNNY MAFIA hails from Sens, Burgundy (which is known more for it’s wheat and cereal production than rock ‘n’ roll) and bring a young, snotty, explosive and ferociously fun energy that drives audiences into a near-frenzy. Inspired by classics like The Ramones, T-Rex, and The Clash, they also draw heavily on contemporary acts like
Ty Segall, Jay Reatard, and the Wavves. The band have just released the video single for BIG BRAWL
after recently finishing recording and mastering their sophomore album PRINCES DE L’AMOUR with producer JIM DIAMOND – who was the bass player of Dirtbombs and produced albums for The Sonics, Andre Williams, The John Spencer Blues Explosion, White Stripes and countless others.
Jim was forced to shut the doors at his studio Ghetto Recorders in 2015 due to what can only be described as “hipsterfication in the downtown Detroit area when his landlord doubled his rent. He set up a new base in Montpellier, and continues his prolific presence across the scene, working with bands as far and wide from Cambodia to Cleveland. In recent years, Diamond has become something of an unofficial in-house label producer/engineer at DIRTY WATER RECORDS.
The album PRINCES DE L’AMOUR will release on 9 November on DIRTY WATER RECORDS (UK).
From Perpignan with Love
NEXT RNR666 PARTY
MAY 31 BUDAPEST TRAFIK
THE HANDS
French cavemen on shroom play psychedelic but raw garage rock
under the influence of Z-movies and Syd Barrett.
Their music is similar to Destination Lonely or Cheater Slicks.
Listen to it here.
+ French hardcore punk band ZARMA FRAULEIN.
Listen to them here.
ON MAY 30 THEY ARE GOING TO PLAY IN PÉCS TOO!
Both come from Perpignan‘s gipsy quarter.
Centaur Desire
Our favourite psych garage rock band from Bordeaux JC SATÁN recently released their 5th album CENTAUR DESIRE on BORN BAD RECORDS. Strange that this is their first release which was recorded all together. On the past albums, Arthur (guitar) and Dorian (keyboards) used to handle all instruments.
The title Centaur Desire tells everything about the record. Traditionally the centaurs were the offspring of Ixion, king of a Greek tribe and Nephele the cloud nymph. They lived in the mountains of Thessaly and Arcadia. The centaurs were often represented drawing the chariot of the wine god Dionysus or bound and ridden by Eros, the god of love, in allusion to their drunken and amorous habits. Their general character was that of wild, lawless, and inhospitable beings, the slaves of their animal passions. These passions were channeled into this album with French jauntiness and Italian fervour.
If you feel this powerful passion then need to buy the legendary first release of RNR666 RECORDS, a beautiful limited edition JC SATAN / PIRESIAN BEACH split 7″ vinyl EP directly from RNR666 or at Musicland and Wave record shops in Budapest.
BLACK BOYS ON MOPED
At the moment I have got LOVE… with a little bit of noise the debut album of French garage rock and roll band BLACK BOYS ON MOPED so not long before I walked around the room made headbang and some guitar moves and cried fuck you! Try it!
MOST VASÁRNAP!
KÖZÖS BULI BUDAPESTEN AZ AURÓRÁBAN
2018 JAN 28 VAS >>> KORAI KEZDÉS: 18:00!!!
FELLÉP >>>
USÉ (Fr)
Egyszemélyes formáció az Usé, amit Nico Eduard hívott életre 2011-ben. Dob, ének, dobverővel csépelt gitár és mindenféle torzítók, effektek. Kb ez a hangszerpark. A végeredmény valahol a Neue Deutsche Welle (pl. D.A.F.,Malaria, Kosmonautentraum stb.), a korai Einstürzende Neubauten vagy a szintén francia Ich Bin vagy a kortárs Klaus Legal féle agresszív, hideg, de mégis táncolható zenék környékén leledzik.
Nico rengeteg zenekarban játszik és ad ki lemezeket, jó pár éve Budapesten is fellépett Headwar nevű NOISE rock formációjával. Akkor bennem egy nonkonformista szakadék punk benyomását keltette, kinyúlt pólójára filctollal ráírva: Butthole Surfers. Ehhez képest akár meglepő is lehet, hogy szülővárosában, Amiens-ben, egy helyi lap az olvasók szavazatai alapján az „év emberének” választotta. Vagy az a tény is furcsának tűnhet, hogy LE PARTI SANS CIBLE nevű pártjával cél és ok nélküli programmal indulva a szavazatok 2.17 %-át sikerült megszereznie a polgármester választáson.
YOU ARE THE MAYOR, YOU ARE THE FIST!
JESSICA 93 (Fr)
2010-ben alakult Párizs 93. kerületében, a francia királyok temetkező helyén, Seine-Saint-Denis-ben, ahol mindig nagyon erős volt a baloldal, még a kommunista párt is, ahol a legmagasabb a bevándorlók és az egy főre eső futballisták száma, ahol a bűnözési ráta is országos bajnok, a rendőri hatékonyság viszont hátul kullog.
Geoff kezdetben egyedül nyomult: gitározott, basszusozott, énekelt. Az ütemet dobgép adta, nevét pedig a tervezése/fogantatása idején neki szánt lánynév. Már a legelején kialakult az a lehangoló, de érdekes dallamokkal teli, enervált és mégis agresszív zene ami ugyan mára kicsit finomodott de mégis ugyanaz maradt. Az évek során több zenész megfordult a zenekarban, most négyen vannak. Ilyeneket szoktak emlegetni a J93-al kapcsolatban, hogy: No Wave, Cold Wave, Post-Punk, Shoegaze….és ezek azt hiszem meg is felelnek a valóságnak:
Egyébként KI A FASZOM AZ A JESSICA? – RNR666 INTERJÚ
VEREKEDÉS A 19. SZÁZADBAN (Hu)
És egy magyar noizjam szupergrup meglepetéstagokkal, először és feltehetően utoljára a színpadon.
KÜSS MICH / RNR666 KÖZÖS BULI
BUDAPESTEN AZ AURÓRÁBAN
2018 JAN 28 VAS >>> KORAI KEZDÉS: 18:00!!!
***
27-én délután 6:06 – 7:07 között a legkisebb kiadók legfrissebb lemezei a KILLBONOCLUBban BUDAPESTEN a KERET KLUBban
Trashpop garage punk something
from the suburban wasteland of Pretoria, South Africa
Personal interests: vinyl, Hofner guitars, Tube amps, Sci-Fi, Junk guitars, The Troggs, travelling, robots, mutants, a beautiful 7″ single on French label Six Tonnes De Chair Records
It was released the same day as their first show was in Europe in Rennes, France, 9 Dec!
Anyway MAKE-OVERS released 10 albums.
Raw, Unworked, but Structured Music
For twenty years API UIZ was a polyrhythmic multicolored punky math rock-like trio from Bordeaux. They have influenced an entire generation of French musicians by the ferociously independent way they play and produce „raw, unworked, but structured music” which was the title of their debut album: Musique brute et non travaillée mais structurée.
Since 2015 API UIZ is a quintet. „Peplum”, their first album with the extended line up released now on 12″ vinyl on Kythibong, Les Potagers Natures, Mon Cul C’est Du Tofu, La République Des Granges, Attila Tralala (Belgium) and Red Wig Records (Germany):
#o2 MARAUDEUR | MARAUDEUR LP + SWIMMING POOL SCENES MIX AND MATCH
Post-happymonday post and post-salute to the post-punk lo-fi Maraudeur from Geneva, Switzerland, who were swirling through England last week!
After some tapes and an orange flexidisc this is their first LP released by the Parisian Bruit Direct Disques, the association for brick throwers, worldwide.
The vid of Nothing Will Change was recorded by the Californian Oakland based The Grassy Null Studio on VHS. The recording studio has been supporting such bands like Meat Market, Froth or Charlie Megira through years
If a swimming pool scene had a match and described a band that would be the prime for the Maraudeur: Strange Afternoon In The Swimming Pool + Hesher
more mix and match
Hidden Track (split Maraudeur/Purpur Spytt) + Julie and Franc’s sexually aroused scene from Francois Ozon’s Swimming Pool.
Dust Dries on It’s Rest (Maraudeur) + Hot Rod‘s wacky pool scene in the direction of The Lonely Island trio.
Poor Creatures That We Are (split Maraudeur/Purpur Spytt) + Spielberg’s Jaws opening scene
Monsieur Pop’s French Connections
or for what he has got a French cultural order recently
In his voluminous oeuvre there are two albums with French connections: Préliminaires in 2009 and Après in 2012.
Préliminaires was inspired by Michel Houellebecq’s novel La Possibilité d’une île (The Possibility of an Island). There are three main characters. Daniel, a successful comedian who can’t seem to enjoy life despite his wealth. He gets bored with his hedonist lifestyle, but can’t escape from it. He is disgruntled with the state of current society. He has two clones who live an uneventful life as hermits in the distant future after nuclear and climate catastrophes. They scattered around are the remnants of tourist resorts, cities, consumer items, and some natural humans living in small tribes without any knowledge of the past or any civilization.
Après is a cover album with five French chansons. His label (Virgin EMI) refused to release it. They would have preferred that he does a rock album with popular punk songs because the money is rather in it than in those old-fashioned melodies. This is a strange point of view because the original performers of his covers sold a vast number of records. Finally, the album was released by himself and on a French label Le Rat des Villes.
Now you can listen to all of his covers together with the original ones. The cover of Les feuilles mortes are from Préliminaires, like Je sais que tu sais (I Know That You Know,) which song is not a cover, and the French parts are sung by Lucie Aimé.
And also you can read about the songs and the artists, how their careers started in the chaotic years of the XX Century. And those stories are always strange.
So Mesdames and Messieurs please welcome
The second song Les feuilles mortes (The Dead Leaves) was composed by Joseph Kosma who was born in Budapest in 1905. He was a Hungarian composer and conductor. He took part in the avant-garde movement too. Fled from Berlin – where he lived by a scholarship – to Paris in 1933 with his German wife without money and French knowledge. There he got acquainted with the poet Jacques Prévert and then started a new era of the French chanson. His mother and brother were shot into the Danube during the siege of Budapest by Hungarian far-right wing party members in 1944.
„The virginity of my criminal record is still a mystery to me.” Jacques Prévert wrote this about his juvenile lifestyle.
He was born into a lower-middle-class family in Neuilly-sur-Seine in 1900. Quit school at his age of 15. After the end of WWI, he went to Istanbul as a French soldier together with the painter Tanguy to occupy it. After he was doing small businesses and joined the surrealist movement. In 1928 he wrote his first poem, broke with surrealist, and joined a performance company called Groupe Octobre to make communist propaganda. They also played in factories during strikes, and even in Moscow in 1932. After the experience he devoted himself entirely to the cinema.
He wrote the poem Les feuilles mortes. The song has appeared first time in the Marcel Carné film Les portes de la nuit (Gates of The Night) but just only snippets were hummed by Nathalie Nattier and Yves Montand, who was born as Ivo Livi in 1923 in Monsummano Terme, Italy.
His father was a militant communist who fled from the Mussolini regime with his family to France. In Marseille, he started a small broom factory which was swept away by the Great Depression in 1932. His son was hairdresser, waiter, dock and factory worker. His showbiz career started in a cabaret as a warm-up guy who turned into a singer at his age of 17. He was discovered by Edith Piaf in 1944.
She was born as Édith Giovanna Gassion in Paris in 1915. Her father was a street acrobat, her Italian-born mother a café singer. Her mother abandoned her at birth. She lived for a short time with her maternal grandmother, Emma (Aïcha) Saïd ben Mohammed, daughter of a Moroccan acrobat. When her father went to the war in 1916, he took her to his mother who ran a brothel in Normandy.
In 1929, at the age 14, she joined her father in his acrobatic street performances all over France, she first sang in public this time. At her age of 15 she met Simone „Mômone” Berteaut and started to tour together as street singers. She was discovered in Paris by a nightclub owner.
During the German occupation she performed in various nightclubs and brothels and lived in a luxury flat above a nightclub and bordello in Paris. But he sang also in POW camps, even she was invited to sing in Germany together with other French artists in 1943. But in December 1944, she went on stage for the Allied forces together with Montand in Marseille. And he wrote the song La Vie en rose (The Life in Pink) in 1945 on the top of a smoky debris, called Europe.
She died in 1963 at her age of 47. The funeral mass was denied by the archbishop of Paris Cardinal Maurice Feltin because of her lifestyle.
The song Syracuse was published first in this year. It was performed by Henri Salvador. He was born in French-Guyana in 1917 as a son of a native tax collector. The family moved to France in 1929. He gained reputation first in Medrano Circus through his laugh. He laughed so loudly that the clown asked him to come back every Sunday, and taught him gags in exchange for his influential laugh. He turned his back on school at his age of 15, started to work as a clown on terraces of Paris, and learned to play music. In 1935 Django Reinhardt saw him at a cabaret and asked him to join his band. During the occupation he toured with the band of French jazz king (or Napoleon?) Ray Ventura in South America.
The Syracuse was composed by Salvador, the lyrics were written by Bernard Dimey. In 1972 Dimey was awarded the Charles Cros Prize of the critics for his album Ivrogne Et Pourquoi Pas (Drunk and Why Not) which he claimed to be a profession of faith.
A devotee of this credo Serge Gainsbourg was born as Lucien Ginzburg in Paris in 1928. His parents fled from the horror of the Russian civil war. His father worked as a pianist at bars and clubs in Paris and the casinos and hotels of Deauville during the summertime. From his age of 8 he went with him to play songs. Scarlatti, Bach, Vivaldi, Chopin. And there is the Jazz. Cole Porter, Gershwin, Fred Adison. And there is the radio. Ray Ventura, Charles Trenet, Maurice Chevalier, Edith Piaf, Jean Gabin, Fernandel. But there just was the radio. Because no radio for the Jewish. And no telephone, coffeehouse, restaurant, theatre, cinema, concert, library, museum, swimming pool and nothing. Jewish stay at home and can buy food just between 3-4 pm. If it need can use the last carriage of the metro train only. And they were awarded Yellow Star.
In 1944 he learned to play guitar by a gypsy and started to play at bars and balls. He was discovered by the writer and musician Boris Vian in 1957.
The song Javanaise was written in 1962 and was recorded and published by him and Juliette Greco almost the same time in 1963. But in this playlist I put the reggae version titled Javanaise Remake from the Gainsbourg album Enregistrement public au Théâtre Le Palace from 1980.
Georges Brassens was born in 1921 in Sete, Southern France. His father was an open minded anticlerical bricklayer, his Italian mother was a devout catholic, but both were music lovers. He wrote his first poems as a pupil, but maybe he thought the crime pays better than the poetry because together with his friends he started to steal from their families and others. He was expelled from the school and after a trial he went to Paris, lived with his aunt, and work at a Renault factory, but it was bombed soon by Luftwaffe in 1940.
Then he spent the days in the library, read poetry and write. His first collection of poems was published in 1942 thanks to the money of his relatives and friends. Then he was forced to work in a labour camp at a BMW plant near Berlin in 1943. After one year he was given ten days’ leave in France and did not go back.
Jeanne Planche, a seamstress, who was a friend of his aunt hid him. She lived with her husband in relative poverty. „We wash in cold water, there is no gas, no electricity, so no radio, nor mains drainage. In the small yard, a real menagerie: dogs, cats, canaries, turtles, hawks.” And Brassens lived there for 22 years.
He started to write and compose songs. In the beginning he accompanied himself by and old banjo. Later with the help of Jeanne he bought a used guitar. At first he performed his songs in Parisian cinemas between the news and the film. After several unsuccessful auditions he got a contract in a cabaret in 1952. Later this year released his first album La Mauvaise Réputation, ie. Bad Reputation.
The song Le Passantes was published in 1972. The poem was written in the early 1910s by engineer and poet Antoine Pol, who worked as a company boss, but he was fell in love with poetry, books, and butterflies.
Joe Dassin was born in New York in 1938. His father was the film director Jules Dassin who was blacklisted in 1950 during the communist hysteria because long before he was the member of the Communist Party USA (but left it after the Molotov – Ribbentrop Pact in 1939). He moved to France with his family. Joe got an MA in Anthropology and became actor and singer.
The song Et si tu n’existais pas (And if you didn’t exist) was published first in 1975. The music is by Salvatore „Toto” Cutugno and Pasquale Losito. The lyrics are by Claude Lemesle and Pierre Delanoë – who originally was a tax inspector, but later Elvis Presley, Frank Sinatra, Barbra Streisand, Bob Dylan, Willie Nelson, Nina Simone also sang his lyrics. And Iggy Pop
a son of former high school English teacher and baseball coach. He was born as James Newell Osterberg, Jr. in Muskegon, Michigan, 1947. He is German, English and Irish descent on his father’s side and Norwegian and Danish ancestry on his mother’s side. Moreover his father was adopted by a Swedish American family. He was raised in a trailer park in Ypsilanti, Michigan. He got a lot of care. His parents helped him explore anything he was interested in. This culminated in their evacuation from their bedroom in the trailer, because that was the only room big enough for his drum kit. He has begun his music career as a drummer in various high school bands in Ann Arbor, including the Iguanas in the early 60s…